How Indian Makes 43% More Power than Harley-Davidson

18 Spa 2020
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Metallurgy? Keto diet? Liquid cooling? Red Bull? What’s the secret behind Indian's huge power advantage over Harley-Davidson?
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  • Amazing cinematography!

    Bəxtiyar NeymanBəxtiyar NeymanPrieš val
  • The v rod is very similar to the Yamaha v max which was way faster. Probably why the v rod wasn't popular, like the Harley it is, it couldn't go fast enough

    Quintin LarsonQuintin LarsonPrieš 3 val
  • Any motorcycle made for the American, European markets is all about who's got the biggest dick. Motorcycles at their truest essence weigh 60 kg soaking wet, displace 90 cc, and have three people and two chickens on them. We are all headed to the same place someday.

    M DevineM DevinePrieš 4 val
  • Someone watched tenet

    SimpleManSimpleManPrieš 11 val
  • I have a 2018 XL1200C. Dyno at 78HP and 78 Trq. Stage 1 upgrades. Doesn't HD have something with the Spark Plug firing that causes the "Potatoe" sound?

    Chris PhilhowerChris PhilhowerPrieš 16 val
  • Okay, yes, this information isn't wrong, and arguably has an effect on horse power (though a lot is dependent on many other factors in engine architecture, and how you want that power to be applied). However, you're missing the biggest two items here. Air flow and compression ratio. The Harley's running its old standard 9.5:1 ratio, while the Indian's running at 10.7:1. That's a massive difference. Harley also has a very restrictive intake and exhaust system, choking the power down. Those two items are responsible for very nearly 100% of the power difference. The Sportster is absolutely capable of the same, or higher numbers, and Harley absolutely knows how to make it get those numbers stock from the factory. But Harley does this to its entire line of bikes; low compression and restrictive intake and exhaust. Why? For better or worse, Harley has the philosophy (and to be fair, it's been pretty historically accurate) that they can make a lot more money off their customer base by upgrading the bikes after the fact. Most brands can't talk their buyers into shelling out $20k for a bike, and then dropping another $10k in upgrades to get it to make power. Harley can. It happens everyday in every Harley shop across the globe. Harley's plan is to sell you the bike, and at minimum get you to buy a freeflow intake and exhaust. They're hoping to get you to buy over-sized jugs, a stroker fly-wheel set, and hi-flow high-compression piston and heads with anywhere from 10.5:1 to 11.5:1 compression ratio.

    Heath WassonHeath WassonPrieš dieną
  • That was a really cool video, really informative and creative , the way you used the slowed and sped up footage to mimic the different engine types was cool 👌

    ChrisChrisPrieš dieną
  • Love this bike

    Maria MontuoriMaria MontuoriPrieš dieną
  • This is just my sise Go for it I will Short people Long mode,,lol

    Maria MontuoriMaria MontuoriPrieš dieną
  • Honda rebel 1100 incoming...🔥

    J HJ HPrieš 2 dienas
  • Indian ? Umm no it’s not an Indian they went out of business. It’s like putting wings on a dog and calling it a bird !

    pefree1234pefree1234Prieš 2 dienas
  • And yet Harley continues to outsell Indians by a large margin, each and every year! Added bonus to stumbling across this video, the complete ignorance of these posts is astounding. Especially coming from people forming their opinions from a bike they've never owned or even rode.

    KeithKeithPrieš 2 dienas
  • You've watched tenet. I can tell. *wink*

    Barbrasosi's Boinkers ChannelBarbrasosi's Boinkers ChannelPrieš 3 dienas
  • Great videos. Excellent quality. Informative. Humorous. Kevin over at Junkyard Digs recommended you. I'm sure glad he did.

    Ronnie WillisRonnie WillisPrieš 3 dienas
  • That was excellent.

    P CJP CJPrieš 4 dienas
  • I still have my victory and I love it... Polaris that was a dick move to stop making the best bike ever.

    pack moneypack moneyPrieš 4 dienas
  • How could anyone make less HP than Harley?

    Dave C.Dave C.Prieš 4 dienas
  • He reviewed a motorcycle without showing it for the entire video. My mind is blown.

    Chris RobinsonChris RobinsonPrieš 4 dienas
  • Very well explained.

    george waitegeorge waitePrieš 4 dienas
  • Indians look better too.

    Im2poorIm2poorPrieš 5 dienų
  • It’s a tribute bike.

    MotorheadmikeMotorheadmikePrieš 5 dienų
  • Absolutely Magnificent Video...

    Marty CechMarty CechPrieš 5 dienų
  • F9 played with reverse video before Christopher Nolan

    Yuriy KolesnikYuriy KolesnikPrieš 5 dienų
  • Throw in the FTR at the end with no mention of Harley XR1200?

    Michael ClifftonMichael ClifftonPrieš 6 dienų
  • that shockingly good slow-mi lipsync 😮 this whole vid is fantastic to watch

    Allpixels StudioAllpixels StudioPrieš 6 dienų
  • Did he make this video after watching TENET?😝

    Arnab BasakArnab BasakPrieš 6 dienų

    hanif naufalhanif naufalPrieš 6 dienų
  • And now there is mx like the Honda crf250r that run at 12500 rpm and have a stroke of 42mm

    Alienfromarea51Alienfromarea51Prieš 7 dienų
  • The problem with Indian is that I hear Polaris is going to give up and on them in a year and buy the rights to and start building Whizzes!

    Glenn RichGlenn RichPrieš 7 dienų
  • What's the bike you rode off on at the end?

    Glenn RichGlenn RichPrieš 7 dienų
  • ... and both are pathetic, 1200cc Ducati puts out over 180HP

    frosty A Bfrosty A BPrieš 7 dienų
  • Great explanation of the internal workings different types of engines. Maybe , you can send this video to the Harley engineers so their bikes can finally compete with the rest of the crowd.

    Kaestner DucranKaestner DucranPrieš 7 dienų
  • Unbelievable video!

    John MangiameliJohn MangiameliPrieš 7 dienų
  • It's good that Harley's are slow. Can you imagine if boomers tried to go fast on their No-Inheritance-For-My-Kids toys?

    JPJPPrieš 7 dienų
  • The scout is also so low because they are targeting smaller riders.

    Brandon DilorenzoBrandon DilorenzoPrieš 8 dienų
  • The hardest part harley has is its "FAN" base.....people constantly bitch harley doesn't do anything new, and then when the motor company does something new, people bitch

    Brandon DilorenzoBrandon DilorenzoPrieš 8 dienų
  • Efficiency.

    SpecialopsdaveSpecialopsdavePrieš 8 dienų
  • Very beautiful bike wow

    Mirza MunifMirza MunifPrieš 8 dienų
  • The Kawasaki Vulcan 750 was liquid cooled, DOHC starting in 1986.

    Nathan MillerNathan MillerPrieš 8 dienų
  • I got my 2020 Indian scout I love it it's a great bike

    James AvalosJames AvalosPrieš 8 dienų
  • BMW R9T: Air cooled, 1,2l, 110hp =D

    solomioistsolomioistPrieš 8 dienų
  • It's always fun to guess the cinematic influences for each Fort Nine video, and this video I am guessing Chris Nolan's Tenet.

    LessCommonKnowledgeLessCommonKnowledgePrieš 9 dienų
  • You just made a great case for the Harley Sportster. Better ground clearance and given what you said about the Indian's gearing, who cares about the 40% power difference. The closeups of you cornering that Indian Scout were scary.

    RamiiamRamiiamPrieš 9 dienų
  • Whoever your editor is, needs an award

    Joe leeJoe leePrieš 9 dienų
  • For those looking for the song, it's Tigerblood Jewel- Kid Arizona.

    Gautam RGautam RPrieš 9 dienų

    ZAQ 786ZAQ 786Prieš 10 dienų
  • Excellent video

    John SharnetskyJohn SharnetskyPrieš 10 dienų
  • As always, great video and amazing presentation Ryan, keep up the good work! You are Jeremy Clarkson of motorcycles and certainly have a great future my man! (Apologies if you find the comparison offending ;))

    Syed Mohammed ZaheeruddinSyed Mohammed ZaheeruddinPrieš 10 dienų
  • The song is by: Tigerblood Jewel. Song:Kid Arizona. You should also listen to "best of myself"

    John LaraJohn LaraPrieš 11 dienų
  • nothing sounds like Harley when you introduce a new motorcycle with your bald head and shirt tucked in your bell shaped torso. I test drove the vrod and it was very weird. uncomfortable. like too long of a rake and forward controls and hard to balance. I'm sure the engine is great, just not the frame

    Hey It's DrewHey It's DrewPrieš 11 dienų
  • Very Well Done! 😉👊👌

    Eddie NookumEddie NookumPrieš 11 dienų
  • Because 43% of Harley's horsepower goes into deafening and annoying everyone within a mile radius.

    ArmyGrunt1986ArmyGrunt1986Prieš 12 dienų
    • Most bikes can be obnoxious if you try hard enough 😅

      ThiefOfNavarreThiefOfNavarrePrieš 10 dienų
  • Old Indians never die! Indian should have build a machine with belt driven ohv in the open,hi tech but raw and exposed,they also should not use the old names,have some respect man! That thing looks like a 90s kawasaki motor,comon!

    frank polofrank poloPrieš 12 dienų
  • Here's a message to the audience of this otherwise amazing video. Everything technical he explains on the chalkboard is dead wrong. It shows an incredible lack of foundational knowledge. Similarly, his comments about torque, rpm, cooling, and pushrods are grossly uneducated. So, please do not repeat them to anyone else unless you'd like to discredit yourself just as badly as FortNine has sadly done here.

    AMRennsportsAMRennsportsPrieš 12 dienų
  • The backwards-and-forwards at the end is pure genius. Res Firma!

    darth87darth87Prieš 13 dienų
  • There are people who appreciate a low motorcycle with a low seat height. Small people, especially women, need a motorcycle they can fit on. A motorcycle designed for an average man with a height of 5' 10" and a 36" inseam will have no problem with a normal height motorcycle. A short person with a 30" inseam needs a low motorcycle. That is who will appreciate the Indian with its low height. Sometimes nostalgia is a beautiful thing.

    Americus PatrioticusAmericus PatrioticusPrieš 14 dienų
  • Just discovered FortNine, not a bike guy but I can't quit watching. Best production values on the Tube!

    portneufflyerportneufflyerPrieš 14 dienų
  • Man I love the Cruiser music on the background. What's the name of it please? @ 6:39

    anthony armstronganthony armstrongPrieš 14 dienų
  • Epic Video!!!!

    Kevin MKevin MPrieš 14 dienų
  • My only problem with the Scout is I felt perched up on top of the motorcycle. On my Street Bob I sat deep down into the bike, much more confident and comfortable.

    Chris CorrellChris CorrellPrieš 15 dienų
  • Too much backward filming, too many dick jokes, and they are Engines not Motors. Motors are electric. Good information, just was annoyed by the video.

    alpha13dylanalpha13dylanPrieš 15 dienų
  • Smart dude, love this!

    Splif 4.20Splif 4.20Prieš 15 dienų
  • How can they only have produced Victory for 1 year .. when here in Denmark you can buy a 2013 model .. and a 2017 model . am i missing something ?

    LadosligeseLadosligesePrieš 15 dienų
  • if i had 190 000 Dkk or 31100 USD .. i would buy me a scout .. sure its like 20 % of a house .. but still .. id take the scout

    LadosligeseLadosligesePrieš 15 dienų
  • I hope indian re imbursed you well, you just sold a bike for them.....

    Luke WarmwaterLuke WarmwaterPrieš 15 dienų
  • I have and always will prefer a "square" motor....

    Luke WarmwaterLuke WarmwaterPrieš 15 dienų
  • Make flat heads,better full syndrome transmission!!!

    Larry TownleyLarry TownleyPrieš 16 dienų
  • As if you didn't?? WATER COOLING??!! OVER HEAD CAMS?? GIVE ME A BREAK !!!

    Larry TownleyLarry TownleyPrieš 16 dienų
  • And the old transmission sucked, and no overhead valves!!

    Larry TownleyLarry TownleyPrieš 16 dienų
  • Don’t know my Softail night train can hit 60 before toping out in second gear

    Joshua TuckerJoshua TuckerPrieš 16 dienų
  • This video was expertly done.

    SamSamPrieš 16 dienų
  • I have a 1992 1200 sportster. I never go over half the throttle or RPM range. I just cruise around at low RPM. If you gave my bike 43% extra power I'd never know.

    Patrick ThibautPatrick ThibautPrieš 16 dienų
  • Great vid

    Nick NickNick NickPrieš 16 dienų
  • You make perfect sense, but not being a racer, I enjoy the occasional thrill when I push the big twin near its handling limits. That's about as fast as I've ever wanted to go on public roads.

    JBJBPrieš 17 dienų
  • Most every day riders will never find it necessary to rev to 8300 rpm in a metro area like NYC. I have a Dyna thats over 20 years old I ride about 5 to 7 thousand miles each season depends on weather. My bike starts every time. Brings me to my destination. Does it in the style I like while so many of the people I know who went for a "better bike" are hardly ever out riding. One thing goes wrong and they never ride again, plus Did they really buy a better machine or did they get a better price, free saddle bags, a rebate, zero percent finance thanks to moms credit and a reach around. If we like an air cooled motor that is reasonably easy to work on why compare to us. Why not compare this bike to bikes that produce more HP at 8300 rpm. Because this thing will get smoked. I'll repeat myself 1 more time. Most of us never rev our bikes to anywhere near 8300 rpm or find ourselves in a situation to do so. At a lower rpm Ill take the 1200 Sportster any day over the Scout on the tough streets of NYC. The bike looks like a toy under a grown man and the engine looks plastic. The real test is time. let's see how in 20 years and 50,000 miles how this bike and the 43% holds up. I'm still waiting for the guys with big mouths from 15 or 20 even 30 years ago to show back up with there over 50,000 miles plus bikes. Where are they? You never see them. There either in long term storage or bikie heaven.

    Greg MGreg MPrieš 17 dienų
  • The production quality and time spent on this video is worth it! Good job!

    PayneDeathzPayneDeathzPrieš 17 dienų
  • Just as true Americans keep flying the American Flag. True Americans will keep riding Harley Davidson! Enough said.

    Gregory AllisonGregory AllisonPrieš 17 dienų
  • Bigger fuel tank...e85..retune....problem solved.

    adam forbesadam forbesPrieš 17 dienų
  • Your channel brings a new meaning to zen & the art of motorcycle maintenance.

    Brandi MooreBrandi MoorePrieš 17 dienų
  • Friend of mine had a custom glide or king , not sure whst the official name of it , he went to the moto guzzi dealer to test ride stufff. Took a California out of the lot to the next stop light, a block down and said: "sold' Harleys are a cluncky contraption , they all look the same, sound like shit, (Unless youre on a shovel head with some Andrews Cams) and are over priced.

    george sviderskigeorge sviderskiPrieš 17 dienų
  • But indian doesn't make a cool sound so there is no point...

    Shaho rahimiShaho rahimiPrieš 17 dienų
  • I've never seen a Scout on the road!!

    MilkMan608MilkMan608Prieš 18 dienų
  • I love my Scout Bobber.

    Jub JubJub JubPrieš 18 dienų
  • @4:45 HD owners are literal cucks.

    AwokenAwokenPrieš 18 dienų
  • So I have old panheads . Shovels too. Couple of Ironheads. Dont care how fast they arent. Guess what ? My 09 Dyna Street Bob easily runs 135 MPH. Well over any posted speed limit. Good enough. If ya dont like HD dont have one. See ya at the bar Im buying first round.

    Adam SteinAdam SteinPrieš 18 dienų
  • what an amazing video, congrats!

    Ernesto Bouthier C.Ernesto Bouthier C.Prieš 18 dienų
  • Man I have to say, you're Production is Top Notch. This is only the second video of yours I've watched. Instantly subscribed.

    James LaRocheJames LaRochePrieš 18 dienų
  • Indian - the company that is not Indian.

    Stobus44Stobus44Prieš 18 dienų
  • Comment section: "Blah blah blah Harley Bad blah blah blah" Also comment section: *Does not own a past and current model Harley and a past and current model Indian.* Same people: *We hated when HD was making modern tech bikes under the Buell badge!" This Channel would also shit on the air cooled Porsche motor over it's new Water cooled variant and ask "Why does it make more power?"

    SaintbowSaintbowPrieš 18 dienų
  • Just wonderful!

    Justin HoffmanJustin HoffmanPrieš 18 dienų
  • Good music choices in this guys.

    Keith HankinsKeith HankinsPrieš 18 dienų
  • thought that train said fortnite

    DevourerOfCrayonsDevourerOfCrayonsPrieš 19 dienų
  • this is an awesome video... only thing is the slow mo is messing with my brain ahahaha

    Jpizzle -Jpizzle -Prieš 19 dienų
  • I must stop watching your videos because with every video you make I want a new motorcycle just like the one you showed. Those manufacturers should pay you a lot . Every video you make is art.

  • This video is as good as it can get. Congratulations again!

    Pierre SimardPierre SimardPrieš 19 dienų
  • Astounded that Harley never adopted the Buell power innovations

    CBC Sucks!CBC Sucks!Prieš 19 dienų
  • that really has more to do with HD's v twin cylinder arrangement.. Aircooled Nortons in the 70s were getting 12 sec quarter miles. HD's V twin is a bad old design from the beginning. Ducatis went quickly like the Nortons. A V twin, but not like HD.

    Alan B'Stard M PAlan B'Stard M PPrieš 20 dienų
  • More power is all well and good I'll wait to see if indiana goes under for a 3rd time before I sell my sportster lol

    booggieman2ubooggieman2uPrieš 20 dienų
  • harley allways been shit over priced crap unless you he

    Andy64878 Andy64878Andy64878 Andy64878Prieš 20 dienų
  • Harley Davidson is a rip off!

    Joe GravesJoe GravesPrieš 20 dienų